Lemmy’s design is focused on quality content by ditching the Karma farmers and addicts. No more chasing upvotes—people here actually focus on real value instead of feeding the ego.

EDIT: I know there are upvotes and downvotes, but the problem with Reddit is you can’t post in most communities if your karma or reputation is bad. This is a big problem because herd mentality prevails there and if ypu have unpopular opinions you’re basically censored.

Lemmy isn’t designed to milk ypur dopamine with notifications every 10 upvotes, so you focus more on posting valuable cont instead of farming for approval and upvotes.

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    Visible post and comment scores are still going to produce some of this behavior. You may not have a total karma but people will still get dopamine from seeing their posts getting upvotes and be reinforced in doing the same again. So the same mechanisms of social pressure and uniformisation are at play. The worst being when people delete their minority opinion comments because of the downvote pressure.

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        Maybe. They might also mean you’re an idiot.

        Slashdot used to have a multidimensional voting system that would allow you to up or down vote something based on whether it was funny/insightful/correct, etc (can’t remember the dimension). I wish we had something like that. Sometimes it would be useful to mark a comment as “funny, but also wrong”

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          Welcome: Quarkvotes
          Up, down, charm, strange, top, bottom

          Up/down = Usefulness or relation to topic
          Charm/strange = Agree/accurate or not
          Top/bottom = Love/Hate

          I vote you up-charm-top, btw

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            Not a bad set! I would add something related to “funny”.

            Also, separating agree (opinion) from accurate (factual) would be nice. But I guess you gotta keep it somewhat simple.

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      Yeah, lemmy suffers a lot of from this. Too many posts that try to just make the front page, too many popular communities that dominate c/all. I’ve even had a friend quit over this.

      I genuinely miss communities about games, linguistics and niche hobbies - they just aren’t as popular as news/politics/general memes and that. I do try to post them as much as i can, but since they’re niche there’s only so much content you can find.

      I’d love for the frontpage to have some [optional, ofc] changes that encourage more of this type of content.

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        Pretty much any game or random hobby I’m on at the moment, I could count on finding a decently populated and active Subreddit. This is what’s missing from Lemmy.

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        Why would anyone be on all? Even with reddit I I quit going to all probably 10 years ago…

        And don’t let my Lemmy age fool you, I drop my account every 6 to 8 months. It took my a lot longer to figure that out on reddit.

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          For me it’s to find new content (i block most news/politics communities since they’re most of c/all) but there’s a lot of attention and eyes to be gained from all.

          But most of this, as i said; is buried by the generic popular content.

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          maybe my definitions of healthy and active are extremely biased, but these communities have several days-old posts with low numbers of comments and limited reply threads. not only that, but there’s lots of news articles about the industry but not much stuff about GAMES, be that random reviews, discussions, or memes.

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            what do you want to discuss post it, no one has a montery incentive to make this site work for you, if you want it to do you gotta do it yourself, commentings a good step, now make a post about what you want to discuss so theres a more recent post on that community about it

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            Well it’s partly my bias too, because when I joined Lemmy about 3 years ago, lemmy.world didn’t exist yet and there were around a couple dozen new posts on All of Lemmy per day at the time.

            I’m just really grateful for how much we’ve grown as a site, even if we’re still hardly anywhere close to the scale of modern corporate social media. But imo it doesn’t have to be, I like this.

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            Beehaw is quite toxic and for that reason, lemmy.world is not federated. I expect an angry swarm of people from Beehaw to send me death threats now to prove how untoxic they are.

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    There can be many reasons reddit sucks, but I’d argue its mostly because Spez is a mega douche and Reddit was captured by mods who had agendas and just silenced anyone who disagreed. Or they were paid to do it.

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    I just wanted to let everyone know there is an option in your settings so you don’t see upvotes or downvotes.

    None of these imaginary points fucking matter.

    So why don’t you do yourself a favor and uncheck these boxes and not give a fuck what others think about your comment.

    I know I have.

    (Lemmy is rad as fuck)

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    The lack of karma is definitely a plus. Zionist trolls can downvote all they want, no one cares. In fact, there isn’t much of an incentive for any to invest in “downvote farms”.

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    Oh my sweet summer child. EVERY new service and SocMed site starts out like this. Fresh, fun, and working properly. Until the masses show up. That’s when it goes to shit.

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      Yep, it’s just a matter of time till karma system is getting implemented on here too

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        Why make this assumption? Is there a reason you believe we need that karma system? I genuinely can’t think of any reason, outside of corporate interest to push engagement.

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          I genuinely can’t think of any reason, outside of corporate interest to push engagement.

          On Reddit, I found that blocking people by account age and link karma noticeably improved the site. edit: For example, blocking 1 year old accounts with more than 100k link karma. /edit Mostly helped me filter out karma farmers from my feed that did nothing but repost memes or low effort shitposts.

          Of course, not having total karma publicly tracked might make reposting a nonissue.

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          idk what to tell you, but that is what that number means. Here is mine, you can see it shows a 1 as ive only ever made 1 post, and not a 3 for the number of points on my only post. Also im not sure this applies to other lemmy instances, might just be a lemm.ee thing.

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    Isn’t Karma essentially just the delta between upvotes and downvotes you get with some sort of weighting thrown in?

    Because you can very much get that delta on here, it just isn’t visible in the default Lemmy interface. If you look at your account through an Mbin frontend for example you can see the “Reputation points” value in the sidebar: https://fedia.io/u/@wittycomputer@feddit.org

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      I know there are upvotes and downvotes, but the problem with Reddit is you can’t post in most communities if your karma or reputation is bad. This is a big problem because herd mentality prevails there and if ypu have unpopular opinions you’re basically censored.

      Lemmy isn’t designed to milk ypur dopamine with notifications every 10 upvotes, so you focus more on posting valuable cont instead of farming for approval and upvotes.

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    There are upvotes and downvotes and they do have some use gauging that content IMO

    That being said, without the corporate structure and profit motive to produce a monetizing algo that encourages others to game it to further their own monetizing goals…it’s SIGNIFICANTLY better

    Up/Down votes aren’t inherently bad, Reddit and other corporate platforms corrupt it with their profit chasing

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      Well, I kind of disagree with the up/down votes being inherently bad, as they more front-load early posting rather than accurate posting. Meaning early engagement is likely to have higher upvotes rather than engagement which is factual and well thought out. This incentivizes much more emotional and meme posting.

      I’ve seen it happen time and time again on Reddit and even here: someone makes post, bunch of people react only to the headline, or spread misinformation, and by the time nuanced posts and thought out posts are made, engagement has plummeted and people have moved on to the next thing.

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          Sadly Reddit has been toeing the line and has been banning any accounts for “threatening violence” for any support of Luigi no matter how peaceful or non-violent or ANY criticism of Elon The Musky Husky

          Heck even before my account was banned I was warned for “advocating violence” just for saying “It’s understandable to wanna punch Nazis”

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            You can’t ask a social network to support ideas that involve violence and murders. I know Luigi is a hero for many but it was an illegal action. You can think any monarchy is anacronyst nowadays, but you can’t go and shoot any of those useless humans that think they can be called king or queen like we were living in mediaeval times

            And remember that any insurance system is not that different from a national system, you can convert one into the other any time. The problem is with shitty brains which can go and spread their shitty ideas either here or there. Since national systems can be so corrupted, it’s ok to have a private way to clean them up from time to time.

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              It’s not that I want Reddit to support violence, it’s that I want Reddit to support free speech

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                Let me suggest you don’t become too attached to a mainstream digital tool

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    No, there’s karma. I’ve had more than a couple guys point out mine is negative.

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        I wonder what you thought was evil. Probably something banal, but something Lemmy hates.

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            That makes sense. I still hold the opinion that illegal immigrants should be deported, and Hamas is awful.

            Most people would agree with me, but most on Lemmy would not