• IMALlama@lemmy.world
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      13 days ago

      There is a whole bunch of regulatory stuff that’s been spun up for EVs over the past 7 years or so.

      I have no idea if Hyundai had something out of the ordinary happen, but the public is generally very slow to change and are a bit hyper vigilant. Add in the fact that the press loves a good boogieman to get clicks and you’ll see some of the EV mess.

      Are they safer than ICE? Yes. Should that stop there? No.

      With an average of 16 EV and hybrid fires per year, there’s a 1 in 38,000 chance of fire. There are a total of roughly 4.4 million gas- and diesel-powered passenger vehicles in Sweden, with an average of 3,384 fires per year, for a 1 in 1,300 chance of fire. That means gas- and diesel-powered passenger vehicles are 29 times more likely to catch fire than EVs and hybrids.

      • hesusingthespiritbomb@lemmy.world
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        13 days ago

        Hyundai and Kia always has something out of the ordinary happen. My model was an ICE with two major flaws: one meant that the engine was liable to catastrophically fail and catch on fire at around 90k miles, and the other made it so stealing them was literally child’s play. Kids were making TikToks on how to steal them…

        Hyundais just aren’t good cars. They cut corners to the max, and when shit goes south just try to gaslight everyone involved. I’m highly skeptical that their EVs are high quality, because their ICE models were shitboxes.

    • Possibly linux@lemmy.zipEnglish
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      14 days ago

      Honestly get one of those old Toyotas that were build like tanks. All metal and a simple engine design means it runs forever and is easy to work on.

    • boonhet@lemm.ee
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      14 days ago

      I’m sorry, I don’t want to buy a brand new car from 2005.

      Jokes aside, what’s the point of a new Toyota? You’ll have a reliable car but use way more fuel than a German diesel wagon or sedan, in the age of super high fuel prices. Toyota of course barely even makes wagons or sedans anymore. They discontinued the Avensis, brought in the Camry and now it’s pretty much “buy a C-HR or RAV4 lol”. Toyota’s only EV so far came way too late and offers way too little to be compelling compared to what the Koreans are doing. The Koreans can’t make an ICE for shit but they do know how to make a decent EV.

      The only decent cars they make now are the BMW Supra and the NotOnMyContinent Land Cruiser 300. And I guess the RAV4 PHEV but that costs so much you might as well just get A BMW X5.

      • exploitedamerican@lemm.eeEnglish
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        14 days ago

        Idk what poanet youre on but toyota makes great cars all around. The lexus RX/ toyota highlander (which is just the camry platform crossover) redefined suv crossovers. Without it suv’s tofay would be totally different. Also toyota 4cylinder hybrids get 60+ miles to the gallon the electric hybrid rav 4 in 2020 was getting 96 mpg. Toyota makes tons of wagons and sedans, tbe prius comes in wagon format the ct200h is a wagon, Camry, carola, avalon, gs300, ls350, sc400, I mean if you dont want a car that will last 3-5 decades plus that was made to last then get what you want. I cant tell you how many late 90’s early aughts toyota products are still on the road i see dozens every day. I have one. A 2004 rx330 with 225,000 miles on it. Aiming to take it to a million miles. There is a reason toyota products have great resale value, are highly desired and have stellar consumer reports ratings. And they are pretty easy to work on so you dont have to pay 200+ an hour at a mechanic if youre not an idiot and are mechanically inclined.

        And if you want something else then go honda. Toyota and honda products are hands down the 2 best quality manufacturers that produce reliable lasting vehicles.

        • boonhet@lemm.ee
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          14 days ago

          The only 90s and early 00s Toyota products with Toyota badges I see on the road are Land Cruisers because those are the only ones worth enough to repair the rust to make them pass inspection. Mid 00s onwards is a bit better and Lexus models get treated nicer, so you still see an old one every few months.

          The Highlander and RX don’t even offer a diesel option… What a joke. Perfect platform for a 4 or 6 cylinder (for the RX variant) diesel. There’s no way they’re getting 60+ mpg on the highway unless you’re talking about plug-in hybrids, which only get that when actually charged - which most users unfortunately do not. Plus if you have to charge on long trips to get good fuel economy, why not just get a BEV?

          Also half the models you listed are either discontinued altogether or no longer sold in Europe. Toyota doesn’t want you to have a Camry or a GS anymore. And I mean the GS was a damn solid car in the late 90s and early 00s when it got the 2jz engine. I can’t speak for third and fourth gen personally as I have no experience. But at thus point they’ve been discontinued for years, you’re supposed to go buy a crossover instead. Or the ES, which seems like a downgrade. The CT is a small hatchback, not a wagon. It’s nowhere near the same practicality. It’s also discontinued. The SC is a pretty cool car… But discontinued for a decade and a half now.

          Apparently the Camry is back on the menu though - it had diappeared from Toyota Estonia’s website for a while and I just assumed they’d dropped that in Europe too. The only remaining wagon, though, is the Corolla which again isn’t competitive with European offerings in terms of cargo space. It IS significantly cheaper than a 5 series or E class wagon but then if you need to haul anything you need to rent a trailer, which is a hassle. I’ve owned 5 or 6 wagons at this point, ranging from Passat to E class to Outback… And I’ve filled the trunks on all of them.

          With the Highlander no longer available, the only Toyota badged vehicle that would fit my regular cargo requirements is the ugly ass new Land Cruiser 250 (as opposed to the 300 which I think looks great) and the only Lexus badged ones would be the RX or LM. But I don’t need an SUV so I don’t want to pay the SUV premium. Plus to get decent fuel economy in the RX, I’d have to opt for the plugin hybrid for an extra 20k??? And the trunk is still nowhere near as big as in the E-class wagon somehow.

          I’m sorry, but Toyota has lost the plot. They just ignore entire market segments thinking everyone is happy with a crossover. They just don’t want me to buy a new car from them and the models they do have are so reliable because their engine tech is 2 decades old, not because Toyota has great engineering.

    • nyctre@lemmy.world
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      15 days ago

      I don’t think people that decided to buy an electric car will be interested in trading it in for a hybrid. Also, assuming you’re in the US, because Hyundai are very good and popular in Europe. (Sorry, just noticed the username. Oh well…)

      • exploitedamerican@lemm.eeEnglish
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        14 days ago

        Toyota makes electric cars and also hydrogen cars. But really EV’s arent all that great for the environment. Lithium mining is pretty awful not to mention super exploitative. And there is this bottleneck of liFePo battery production that we and the industry at large seem to be ignoring. Currenty less than 8% of the amount of new vehicles sold annually on the planet are EV so we would need to increase the supply by at least 1250% plus all the other industries that rely on lithium batteries like cordless power tools, batteries and many other consumer electronics. So likely we would need to increase production by 2000% and thats a conservative estimate and then we would need to repeat this year after year after year. This us not going to be good for the environment regardless the increase in sustainability compared to ICE vehicles. We need to develop solar tech beyond what it is. Look at tje german auto manufacturer Sono who makes a solar ev that seems pretty promising for a technology in its infancy. Also we need to really take notes from toyota because manufacturing cars in the way that American automotive manufacturers have normalized, disposable planned obsolescence vehicles made to break down so that consumers will have to buy a mew one or pay for hours and hours of expensive labor, is just not sustainable. Toyota at least puts out vehicles that mostly Will still be on the roads 3 decades or more after their first purchase. When most other manufacturers are making vehicles that are pretty much crushed and sold for scrap after 100,000 miles or 10 years. So besides the technology itself the current model of consumer usage and disposal is not sustainable

    • jaemo@sh.itjust.works
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      13 days ago

      As an owner of both, my 2020 Ioniq BEV easily feels better than my previous civic, and my Subaru (though I’d want the suby for anything challenging terrain-related). Best car I’ve owned.

  • Snowclone@lemmy.world
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    13 days ago

    Do NOT set your own car on fire. They will notice every marker pointing at you! Instead, incompetently park in a visible area that is poorly lit at night, perhaps a Trump sticker. Maybe an anti-trans or pro racism sticker! Really REALLY scummy stuff. Get a custom plate that says ‘‘YBMC’’ or something else horrid. Really egg them on. What you really want is a total stranger you have never interacted with. Police fail to identify 90% of crimes that don’t have a personal motivation to known victim and perpitraitor.

  • MystikIncarnate@lemmy.caEnglish
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    15 days ago

    This is the only good use of a Tesla now, IMO. Get it fully insured, then go park it in a dark alley near a popular area. It’ll get torched before too long. No fraud involved with setting your own car on fire…

    Then use the money to buy something that’s not made by a Nazi.

    • pocketasian@lemm.ee
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      13 days ago

      They will cover vandalism if:

      A) You report it to the police and have a file number

      and;

      B) You have comprehensive coverage

      But your insurance rate will increase due to having a claim

    • Snowclone@lemmy.world
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      13 days ago

      Oh you REALLY need to call up and see if they will cover it. They will fight you like hell on this kind of situation.

    • meliaesc@lemmy.world
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      13 days ago

      If I’m paying for comprehensive coverage and they don’t cover my car burning, I am absolutely suing.

  • tacobellhop@midwest.socialEnglish
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    14 days ago

    Man a shitty lining to this cloud is the kids that had to mine the lithium for the batteries into useless cars.

    • BaconDragonOverlord@feddit.org
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      14 days ago

      I think you’re thinking of Cobalt? Lithium mainly is mined in big industrial facilities in Australia and Chile. Not like cobalt wich was in the news for being mined by hand, including with children.

      However “new” Lithium Iron Phosphate (LFP) batteries go without cobalt and other rare earth materials (not actually rare btw). Most electric cars use these batteries nowadays including many Teslas.

    • LeninOnAPrayer@lemm.eeEnglish
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      14 days ago

      It’s a step in the right direction. It won’t stop the countries we exploit from being exploited. But if Tesla goes bankrupt it is one less large company exploiting the global south. And arguably the worst when it comes to Cobalt.