• Ricky Rigatoni@lemm.ee
    7·
    12 days ago

    Windows: Has a complex and graceful shutdown process to make sure programs never close if there’s a problem with them and your computer just stalls on shutdown until you hold down the power button and completely void out the purpose of the graceful shutdown.

      • letsgo@lemm.eeEnglish
        1·
        11 days ago

        Ever? Too many times. When I think I’ve told Windows Update “yes, do all the shit, yes it’s fine, yes I’m sure, yes you can do it, yes I really want you to do it, yes I’m sure I really want you to, yes I’m sure I’m sure, yes for the umpteenth fucking time” and switched off my monitor to go home for the weekend, the number of times I’ve come in on a Monday morning just to find I have to click “yes” yet again then have to sit there watching it grind out its updates.

        I just wish they’d add a checkbox, off by default, that says “yes you can do it all, just stop asking stupid fucking questions” that I can click and go home. But for some reason Microwank insist I have to sit there watching that fucking update percentage creep up then endlessly sit at “100% all is done, please wait” for no reason whatsoever.

        Oh yeah and there always seem to be way more reboots needed when BitLocker is active. I’m sure 1 reboot is the norm with occasional 2’s. But with BL it’s usually 5-6 reboots.

        I used to work at a place where MS would raise tickets with us and I always wanted to give them the WU treatment. But professionalism always got in the way of “This ticket is 100% complete, you must close and reopen it to continue”.

  • Realitätsverlust@lemmy.zipEnglish
    3·
    12 days ago

    Linux does give every application time to shut down correctly, but unlike windows, it won’t wait for ages until every process is down. Linux WILL shut down in a certain timeframe, whereas windows waits for years if necessary. In my old job, we all had to use windows and I had times where I clicked shut down, turned off my monitor, grabbed my stuff, left and in the next morning, the PC was still on because Notepad refused to just close lmao.

    • WIZARD POPE💫@lemmy.world
      1·
      12 days ago

      That is what infuriates me so much. Instead of just killing the process after 5 mins of waiting it just cancels the shutdown. Like fuck off with that shit.

          • InputZero@lemmy.world
            1·
            12 days ago

            Then you might not want windows cause Windows forces updates on you whether you want them or not and break things. Linux will happily wait for you to forget for so long it breaks because the target API doesn’t accept your old ass code anymore. At least in Linux as long as I don’t forget I’m good. I sometimes forget

  • chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world
    3·
    12 days ago

    Linux gives processes a chance to gracefully close. However, it also will absolutely NOT allow a process to hang up the shutdown or restart procedure after a point. If you’re using systemd (which there is a good chance you are), it’ll count down. If the process hasn’t stopped in the time allotted, it gets Old Yellered.

    • oo1@lemmings.worldEnglish
      2·
      12 days ago

      Windows: I refuse to shut down because of a, b , c

      Me: But I already clos. . .

      Windows: No you didnt’t, stop lying!

      Me : Well, I pressed the X and the window dissappeared.

      Windows: Lol, noob. Did you never even heard of a task managers?

  • Raltoid@lemmy.world
    31·
    13 days ago

    1. Linux normally does a nice shutdown as well, unless you force it.

    2. You can force it on windows if you really want.

    I’m so tired of linux memes posted/made by people who don’t know much about windows or linux.

    • Shanmugha@lemmy.world
      1·
      12 days ago

      Oh, p-lease, can force it my ass, Linux has never failed to shutdown on me when using plain obvious GUI method. windows - can easily hang on forever as long as computer stays powered. The point of all the memes is exactly insane windows defaults, not the things that can or can’t be done by someone with enough knowledge

    • Apytele@sh.itjust.works
      0·
      13 days ago

      It was simpler using Linux to just kill things unceremoniously, but my coworkers are also consistently amazed when Epic throws a temper tantrum (rare, but it happens) and I walk over and ctrl-alt-delete and tell it to sit down and shut the fuck up until it’s ready to reboot and act right.

  • hector@sh.itjust.works
    1·
    12 days ago

    Linux is actually great if you need to implement graceful shutdown with signals – I love it all around :)))

      • Russ@bitforged.spaceEnglish
        1·
        11 days ago

        If you hit Ctrl Alt Delete very quickly in succession (I believe it’s 7 times in a row) it will bail out from a stop job and proceed with shutting down

        Learned that trick because I was so tired of seeing that occur ha. Along that research I swear I recall seeing that it’s a KDE/SDDM issue but I might be getting some wires crossed on that (and thus, don’t quote me/take my word on that 😅)

      • Azzu@lemm.ee
        1·
        13 days ago

        systemd moment in the sense that someone not affiliated with systemd used systemd to write a stop job that doesn’t terminate quickly? Or that you willingly installed software that brought along a slow stop job with it?

        This is like so far away from systemd’s fault, idk, it must just be a meme right?

      • swab148@lemm.eeEnglish
        1·
        13 days ago

        He wrote Pulseaudio, Avahi, and systemd before joining Microsoft, where he currently works.

            • acockworkorange@mander.xyz
              0·
              12 days ago

              Great talk indeed. And I will quickly acknowledge that something had to be done, and that systemd had the courage to innovate and address the issues. I just wish it did so in a more transparent way to the end user.

              For instance: there’s a whole established system of dealing with logs in place. Why build a separate one just for your init system? Why binary? Why even integrate it with your init? I’m not saying storing everything on /var/log and using logrotate is ideal or even covers all use cases. But a log management system is its own thing.

              That’s just an example of how systemd didn’t jive with every other subsystem in a Unix like OS. It could have been done in a Unix way - small cohesive tools that are good at one job and can be combined to do more together.

              That’s where I think he missed the mark when dismissing the monolithic criticism by saying “it’s not a single binary so it’s not monolithic”. Its philosophy is monolithic.

              That said, I use systemd on my machines because that’s what my do uses and I don’t think it’s a reason to swap distros. For the same reason I use Linux and not a micro kernel. I.e. philosophy is important, but implementation is importanter.

              • BCsven@lemmy.ca
                1·
                12 days ago

                While monolithic may not be the keep is simple rule aimed for in originally in Unix/Linux, I wonder if it even matters…is there something really gained by init systems that make a difference for the average Linux user?

  • dave@lemmy.wtf
    1·
    12 days ago

    one of my favourite things when i switched to linux first was using the meta+Q hotkey to shutdown a program (this was with PopOS i think). with windows there is alt+F4 but some programs only use shift+alt+F4 which makes it a lot more confusing. on top of all that if youre using a laptop then its another keypress for the Fn key in some cases

  • NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de
    0·
    13 days ago

    Is this even true? I am fairly sure that Linux also has a graceful shutdown process, but I’ll admit I haven’t looked into it.

    • macniel@feddit.org
      0·
      13 days ago

      yeah we have SIGTERM for graceful and SIGKILL for not so graceful shutting down a process.