I’ve been searching for a replacement for my crufty Yunohost install, something that runs docker, “app” install, and preferably SSO and multiuser. I was deciding between CasaOS and Cosmos Cloud when I stumbled on Co-Op Cloud. I can’t find anything on it online anywhere except for their site. Anyone tried it or have any opinions?
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Hey … I have been looking at both. Im a Business Analyst rather than DevOps so I went for Yunohost.org as it got me something running more quickly rather than Coop.Cloud but I can see the different use cases.
Can I ask why you described your install as Crufty? What issues have you run into hauving Yunohost for a while?
It feels to me (Without direct experience running Coop Cloud bit more looking and chatting ) that its more aimed at provisioning multiple instances for multiple customers across multiple VMs rather than Yunohost which seems like more of a - This is one instance on one server/VM
There is a part of me that likes the user admin features/ GUI of Yunohost and wonders whether people managing multiple organisations across many VMs would want to wrap Yunohost inside Coop. Cloud - but im all new to this.
I’ve had Yunohost running in some way for probably 4+ years? It’s relatively solid, I can mostly depend on it without any issues. I like the SSO/LDAP user auth and perms, and the default fail2ban and ability to change ssh port from the UI. The update and system services pages are nice.
What I don’t like is how apps are all installed locally instead of using containers or VMs. And resources are shared, so if one app uses, for instance, MongoDB, and another app needs it as well, they have to share the same one. It makes things run a bit leaner, but I do worry a bit about data bleed if there’s some vulnerability. And the apps are really hit and miss, since they have to be packaged, managed, and issue-tracked independently for this platform instead of the main app/project. So you find lots of orphaned or half-maintained apps that should be great otherwise.
So you either suck it up and deal, or become a bit of a hacker/maintainer yourself on apps you care the most about. But if I wanted to get that involved I’d just roll a manual build myself. I submit issues and try to help where I can, but that’s not where I want to be.
You could probably install something like Portainer and manually edit the NGINX config/homepage to hack some docker in there, but idk if I care enough to do that.
Cool really useful feedback. I really like the SSO/LDAP user auth and perms and its cool that it includes email. Im not sure how that is going to go but hey lets find out eh?
I can see the downsides you mentioned and yeah I guess that I am going to run into them as I have more of the family using the instance.
Do you think we will end up with some kind of Yunohost / Coop.Cloud Hybrid where you fan start simple and then if you grow move to a containerised / multiple server environment?
I had sort of thought Coop Cloud was more about managing multiple customers ( but I can see architecturally it is also better able to scale for a single customer. it just feels a shame its a separate project rather than an extension/ evolution of Yunohost. (The BA in me asks could Yunohost be an application inside Coop Cloud to start )
If you’re wanting to do something like that, you’re probably best running Proxmox as a bit of a hypervisor, then Yunohost in a Debian VM on top, and assign something like “home.domain.tld” to Yunohost and get your “stable” family services running.
Then you can try out other stuff like Coop, Cosmos, OMV, Caprover, Tipi, etc as other VMs if you wanna try adding something Yunohost can’t or doesn’t do well. Or if you wanna extend your DevOps skills without messing up family-prod. I mean, you could even have another Yunohost as a “sandbox.domain.tld” before new service deploy.
Yeah Im running Yunohost on a free Oracle cloud instance at the moment and a test instance on Rbpi at home. Im also working on (for last five years) home networking across the family locations (five houses in three countries)
Im still trying to sort out DNS for stuff sitting behind Dynamic IP ( Think I have got DDNS working with Hetzner for my own domain name) so next step is Yunohost locally with proper domain names rather than .local
Sometimes I do struggle being able to create test environments without impacting what I have got running live.
Of course Im also trying to rennovate and create a proper server cabinet and networking in the basement with UPS.
Im sure Ill have this done shortly before they pronounce me dead. /s
Must look at Proxmox - Don’t know anything about it.
I’ve never seem the appeal of any if these sorts of solutions. It’s really easy to just spin up proxmox then build an lxc.
Eh, it is what it is. I have a full family life and a job screwing with computers all week. I don’t want to deal with spinning up, troubleshooting, and maintaining a mini devops stack.
I don’t want to spend so much personal time to keep up with all the management and config, but I don’t think that means someone like me should have to live in a big tech world. If there’s a good framework that helps keep things easy to manage and secure for a minimal amount of input and time, even if I could run most of it myself manually with a lot more time investment, there’s no reason not to, IMHO.
