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jointhefediverse.net seems to be a commonly linked resource for directing people to join the Fediverse.

Curiously, it does not list Lemmy under the list of Reddit alternatives. Their GitHub README explains why.

Previous relevant discussion: https://lemmy.ml/post/78808

  • haverholm@kbin.earth
    107·
    17 hours ago

    It’s not “censorship” when somebody decides to omit a software from a curated list over the developers’ horrible takes. See also Soapbox.

    Edited to add: Free speech does not obligate anybody to boost or acknowledge subjects that they disagree with.

    • Ulrich@feddit.orgEnglish
      62·
      8 hours ago

      Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication, or other information. This may be done on the basis that such material is considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or “inconvenient”. Censorship can be conducted by governments and private institutions. When an individual such as an author or other creator engages in censorship of their own works or speech, it is referred to as self-censorship. General censorship occurs in a variety of different media, including speech, books, music, films, and other arts, the press, radio, television, and the Internet for a variety of claimed reasons including national security, to control obscenity, pornography, and hate speech, to protect children or other vulnerable groups, to promote or restrict political or religious views, and to prevent slander and libel.

      • Wikipedia

      They are suppressing information about the fediverse based on political views. They had it up and then they took it down. Please explain how this is not censorship. I don’t know where people get the idea that censorship is an inherently negative thing.

      • Carighan Maconar@lemmy.worldEnglish
        4·
        7 hours ago

        Yeah you’re right of course, it is censorship. It just happens to be positive. Although, I’d argue that maybe it isn’t based on political or religious views, rather on not wanting to give someone a bad impression of the fediverse and make them leave again? As in, self-serving interests?

        • Ulrich@feddit.orgEnglish
          31·
          6 hours ago

          I’d argue that maybe it isn’t based on political or religious views

          The main argument I see against Lemmy devs is that they’re “tankies”, which is most certainly political. And I agree. Except that there’s nothing in the software itself that is political. Only the devs, and many of the .ml communities and users.

      • haverholm@kbin.earth
        23·
        7 hours ago

        In the encyclopedic sense, you’re right. In this context that I replied to, however, censorship had a negative connotation, and my response spoke to that rather than the formal meaning.

        I don’t know where people get the idea that censorship is an inherently negative thing.

        Right, and I do note that you talk about jointhefediverse “suppressing” Lemmy — another negative connotation.

        I’ll maintain that, no, they are just leaving it out. Again, that is the privilege of a list curator. Nobody else have a say in what and why is included on the site. Choosing what to publish, and the omissions that entails, are also protected by free speech.

        • Ulrich@feddit.orgEnglish
          41·
          7 hours ago

          that is the privilege of a list curator.

          It can be their privilege and also be censorship. You seem to imply otherwise.

          • haverholm@kbin.earth
            1·
            21 minutes ago

            Do I? You seem to enjoy pedantic hairsplitting, but I fail to see where you’re going with this.

      • haverholm@kbin.earth
        1·
        31 minutes ago

        Well, horrible genocide apology takes, TBF. I didn’t mean to downplay the gravity of the points they bring up in the archived mastodon thread.

    • realcaseyrollins@thelemmy.clubEnglish
      32·
      17 hours ago

      Generally fair point. My issue though is that most people will just go to this website and won’t consider other lists or websites, viewing this as the definitive list of Fediverse alternatives. Someone not putting someone’s software on their website isn’t technically censorship, true (this is the other coin of free speech), it does effectively censor Lemmy from the general conversation about Fediverse alternatives.

      • haverholm@kbin.earth
        2·
        7 hours ago

        Do most people go to jointhefediverse, though? Honest question, I don’t know the site’s traffic stats vs fediverse.to or fediverse.party (which both show up way above jointhefediverse in my duckduckgo search). It’s not like an authoritative index or search engine blackballed Lemmy, it is literally about a single grassroots site.

        • realcaseyrollins@thelemmy.clubEnglish
          1·
          34 minutes ago

          It’s the first one I always see whenever I look up lists of Fediverse alternatives and I always end up on the site. I use fedidb.org but I don’t use it to find Fediverse software.

      • Kat@orbi.campEnglish
        61·
        15 hours ago

        Lemmy is bigger by a LOT (LIKE A LOT) than mbin and piefed. So don’t see how Lemmy is losing the strong grip it already has on this type of fediverse. Heck, google reddit alternatives and Lemmy is also king.

        This change on that site was in 2023. It’s 2025. So it has not impacted Lemmy’s user base.