I have a piece of test equipment that needs to stay underwater for days. Normally I would use or make a waterproof case with a lid and a gasket.

Instead, I’m wondering if I could print a box, pause the print just before the top face, put the device inside and then print the top face over it. No openings, no nothing, and the device works by induction so it doesn’t need to physically connect to anything.

But this would only work if 3D-printed PLA walls are really waterproof. After all, 3D-printed features are kind of a bunch of wires more or less loosely attached to each other, so I wouldn’t be surprised if water could leak through under pressure.

Before I spend any time assessing this myself, has anybody tried printing waterproof enclosures?

  • Beacon@fedia.io
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    5 hours ago

    Sometimes a regular manufactured item is better than a 3D printed object. Just use an old tupperware container

  • dual_sport_dork 🐧🗡️@lemmy.world
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    Watertight and waterproof are not quite the same thing.

    Almost all 3D printable materials are waterproof, in that they will not dissolve in water. (With the exception of, e.g., PVA which is sometimes used as a dissolvable support material.) I realize this is not the intent of your question, but a lot of people seem to get it twisted about various polymers absorbing moisture/being hygroscopic/becoming “wet” and therefore believe that they literally melt or soften in water over time or something. This is not the case.

    3D prints can be made watertight but it does not necessarily follow that all of them are by default. This will be dependent on your print settings and, to a certain extent, your print material. Some materials are more isotropic than others and the layer lines stick together more readily without gaps. TPU leaps to mind, which can be made extremely watertight very easily.

    Use a lot of walls – another poster recommended 4, that’s probably a good place to start. Don’t forget to increase your top and bottom layer counts as well. You may need more top or bottom layers than walls, because your layers are probably thinner in the Z axis than your nozzle extrudes in X and Y. If dimensional clearance is not an issue and in your case it seems it isn’t, consider increasing your extrusion multiplier slightly in the walls as well, to ensure that material is squished into any potential gaps. Avoid sharp corners or tiny points on your model, which upon slicing may be incompletely filled. Avoid long unsupported bridges as well, because the couple of layers where these inevitably sag will wind up non-solid. If possible, make the outer shell of your model an exact multiple of your wall extrusion thickness so your slicer will not have to guess at any areas and try to fill them with tiny points or similar. If you play back your slicer’s preview of a single layer you’ll see what I mean.

    If you really want to employ the nuclear option, instruct your slicer to iron every single layer. This will make your print take forever, but each individual later will be extremely authoritatively bonded together in the X and Y axes, with no gaps.

    If failure is not an option, coat your object after completion with Flex Seal or Plasti-Dip or something.

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      8 hours ago

      Yeah sorry I meant watertightness.

      I’ll experiment. But yeah, failure isn’t an option in this case, so I’ll go with the safe option of using a box that I can sue the manufacturer of if the seal fails, rather than me having to explain to my boss why our equipment is ruined 🙂 At least for now.

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    3d extrusion prints have microscopic holes inside, it’s porous. I wouldn’t trust it depending on the application. You can seal the outside and they also sell additives to lessen the effect (here’s a video about it: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8x-mjjT8j4) but casting resin might be better (haven’t tried). Resin printing doesn’t have these problems from what I understand but ou can’t really stop the print midway.

    Fiberglass, if the object isnt complicated to make, would be the best option in terms of quality. Bending and cutting pvc sheets into a box then soldering is also an option. Soldering pvc and rolling fiberglass isn’t really difficult but they both require specialized tools/materials. Getting pvc pipes and soldering end caps would probably be the easiest.

    How robust you need to make it largely depends on pressure and depth.

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    I made a small planter and I sprayed it with some sort of clear sealant for extra measure and it has never leaked.

    For you, under pressure might leak after a little while, but you could put some sort of sealant on it to have more faith in it. It depends how long you want it under water, but it should be at least a little water-proof by itself.

    Sorry no better experience than that

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    From experience printing a bunch of different planters with varying settings and printers, without post-processing/sealing the answer is “not reliably”. You can increase your chances by using many perimeters and surface layers, high heat, and thicc extrusions, but you are still just stacking swiss cheese slices on top of each other hoping the holes don’t line up.

    With days submerged, even the tiniest of defects means water can and will seep in.

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      I myself have made a couple of very simple watertight (non essential) prints for scubadiving. They are holding up really well!

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        Thanks! Well, I was kind of hoping to throw something on the printer and have a working system without too much work. But it looks like achieving proper dependable watertightness might be a whole side project of its own.

        I think I’ll just order the proper ready-made ABS case and wait until it arrives, most likely.

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          But it looks like achieving proper dependable watertightness might be a whole side project of its own.

          This is the case, especially if you want watertight prints right off the printer. Post processing (eg coating, smoothing, etc) are another approach. Post processing also seems like it would be more consistent print to print.

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    I think with a sufficient wall-thickness your box would be waterproof. If I were you I would test it first by printing a small box like you described you would, and put a piece of paper with ink writing inside. Then submerge it into water for a few hours. After that, let it dry thoroughly and saw it open to see if the paper inside has gotten wet or the ink writing has been smeared/diluted.

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    Of course it can be.

    Will it be on your setup though?

    Bump temperature to make better adhesion, lower the speed. Then try it out!

    Also if you can’t make it perfectly watertight, check out why and try to remedy it. Maybe post printing! You can put glue, paint, depending on why it leaks, chuck it in the owen to melt it a bit…

    But first of all, try it out!

    Good luck!

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    It’s the number of walls you print that will determine just how long the box will hold the water in or out. I find 4 walls to be about as water tight as I need. But I’m not sealing anything valuable either.

    Edit to add: This would be an excellent need for that brick layer printing to be used. The offset layers would provide far better sealing than the standard layer method we commonly use.

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    How big of equipment? A ziplock freezer bag might do the trick for you, or if you’re fancy, vacuum seal it. I trust that to sous vide meat for days, at elevated temps even.

    What is the sensor sensing?

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      It records temperature and EM radiation. We have a customer that has EMC requirements for underwater equipment 🙂 I mean as long as they pay eh…

      The device is maybe 4" x 3" x 3" - possibly longer on the long side - and fairly expensive. The ziplock bag thing may work but it looks sketchy considering the price of the thing.

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        Just spit balling here. Maybe put your sensor in a ziplock or vacuum seal it and then put that inside your 3D printed box that way you get all the security without the jank look.

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        A vacuum sealer would be more robust and look less janky than a Ziploc bag. You can get a used food saver for cheap!

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        How deep? Pressure might be a problem? (I’m curious if this is a documented spec, and which one it is. I’m very curious)

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    I do not 3D print, but i do have some basic knowledge of it? I am not a lawyer printer, YMMV.

    I have heard that some materials can be smoothed over using acetone vapour; what about wiping the finished print to smooth over open pores on the surface of a print?

    Alternately, since it’s not a flexible material what about applying something like 3M never wet?

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    In my experience, TPU is fairly easy to make watertight. You have to start with good and dry material so it prints as smoothly as possible. It floats pretty easily though, so you might need to print it solid or with high infill.

    A couple of months ago I printed a bird bath out of PETG which has been watertight so far. I used three outer layers.

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    Haven’t tried it myself, but have heard in passing that they are generally not waterproof. Might be different for different materials or print orientations though?

    Or you can do some post processing, add a coating, or vapor smooth?