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Wayland and audio is fixed, but only on the canary branch for the moment, this isnt lazy either, they changed the whole screenshare flow to suit linux’s permission prompts
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I was almost convinced they were keeping this broken on purpose, it’s been broken so long. Like, years long.
It was broken so long I honestly wouldn’t have been surprised if news surfaced that Discord was taking back-handers from Microsoft under the table to keep it broken. With steam working so well on Linux now, broken discord streaming without actual working audio share was one of the last things that posed a hurdle for gamers ditching Windows.
(In the meantime, thank you Vesktop for your service <3)
I saw something from a discord dev (can’t find it, so grain of salt) about how there was interest recently to do it, but they’d have to work on other stuff that affected everyone first, and they’d probably get it done by q4 2024, guess they were right.
I think before then the whole linux graphics and audio space hadn’t really stabilized enough for them to be interested.
It was broken so long I honestly wouldn’t have been surprised if news surfaced that Discord was taking back-handers from Microsoft under the table to keep it broken.
Tech companies are fully capable of being lazy for free. Fixing this takes dev time from other work that brings Discord money so doing this costs them, especially considering that Linux userbase must be rather tiny. 99% of software companies don’t give a shit about making quality product and will always try their hardest to do as little work as possible while making as much money as possible. If fixing a bug will cost them more than potential profits from making it work then they won’t fix it.
convinced they were keeping this broken on purpose, it’s been broken so long. Like, years long.
Heh. There’s a ticket with Splunk. It’s a simple request: do the 30 sec of work to let us install your software rpm from a proper yum repo.
They can’t figure out how.
They won’t ask.
It’s 12 years old now.
The ticket for them to do a trivial exercise with tools twice as old, is now a tween. It can ride the bus on its own. I think it can get a Facebook account. Maybe.
We should get one for it.
It was the same with Zoom but AFAIK they’re finally working on it now.
who in their sane mind uses zoom on their private device. holy molly
It was 100% because the existing Electron version they were using was ancient, a giant pain in the ass to update, and represents exactly zero revenue for them so they hadn’t bothered putting anyone on fixing it. Every tech company has the ticking time bomb in the corner like that.
You give them too much credit. It’s just shitty, that’s it.
Discord is pretty much broken on all platform. It always was. There’s just no real alternative unfortunately.
“Don’t attribute to malice what is explained by incompetence”
Lets create an alternative.
There is an alternative people have used before discord came, it is called teamspeak. Is still around as well, but works more like a federated system since everyone has to set up and host their own server for people to use.
Teamspeak is no alternative to discord. Sorry. Also its not even open source, is it?
Discord isnt open source either tho so how does that matter for the comparison?
And while yes it is a little outdated, I do recall the time before discord when people would have their own teamspeak server instead, which worked very similar to the fediverse.
You had the client and could connect to any server you had the credentials to, which each were owned and hosted by various people or groups each with their own rules and code of conduct.
Mumble is open source.
If Twitter is any indication, Discord would have to fuck up big, and for a long time for people to switch.
I’m all for it tho I have no idea how to grab the folk’s attention
We would have to sit down and actually think what an opensource solution can achieve and how it gets traction. Also from the get go it should be clear that there will be no feature parity between it and discord. If it was me, I would cut out the whole chatroom functionality, leave private messaging in, use threaded conversations as a standard and but a decent videocall system on top. But this would be my version of it, other people have other needs.
For the video call system you would not have to reinvent the wheel, use something existing like Jitsi (?) or alternatives. Then you would
Maybe the best bet is to look at matrix and wrench out the chatroom focus and replace it with threads?
why cut chatroom functionality? Servers are the main reason people use discord?
Fuck Discord! 🙂
Sadly there’s no alternative.
matrix, xmpp
no alternative that’s as user-friendly and feature-complete
I wouldn’t say discord is either of those things
They need to limit server sizes, get rid of community searching, and add #XXXX to the end of usernames before we can pretend that
Wouldn’t limiting server sizes and getting rid of community searching be removing features? Why would anyone want that?
And Discord used to have #XXXX at the end of usernames.
Why would anyone want that?
1 they aren’t pedos
2 they want an app to talk to their friends with
3 they don’t want to be victims of misinformation campaigns
And Discord used to have #XXXX at the end of usernames.
Yeah it was better, it meant if you were being stalked you could just have the numbers changed. Now you need a completely different alias with the only purpose to be discouraging victims from getting help
1- What does that have to do with anything?
2- Then make a private server for just your friends.
3- Then make a private server for just your friends.
And no, it wasn’t better. Just… different.
I so wish there was matrix protocol for voice rooms and a good reference implementation but sadly there are neither
How long has it been since you used element/matrix? Serious question because the new element call stack is now finally released in element stable, as of a few patches ago. (It still only shows up as the “video rooms” feature that u have to enable in the labs/beta settings)
Its much cleaner than before and properly supports screensharing, adjusting individual user volumes and more. The previous jitsi based voice rooms were somewhat lacking i admit but they have been functional for years.
That was the last thing that kind of kept me from fully endorsing matrix but now it does all that really important stuff. The new mobile ElementX client also supports the new call system but its overall lacking compared to the normal mobile client which does not support it.
But for desktop use i dont have any complains anymore about matrix really.
Why?
These articles are very old and not super relevant any more. Sources of 2018 and 2019, while a lot has changed over the years.
I’m not here to “defend” Discord and pretend it’s all gravy, but if you want to make a compelling argument, I think it’s a good idea to stick to current, factual information.
These articles are very old and not super relevant any more. Sources of 2018 and 2019, while a lot has changed over the years.
Did you even read them? They changed for worst all the points remain.
When do they stop selling user data? Next patch?
they say they dont sell any user data, although i have my doubts about that
It doesn’t really matter if they do or don’t. What matters is that they can change their TOS at any time, they keep an archive of all historical data, and you will have pretty much no recourse no matter what they decide to do with it in the future.
Who knows what will happen to Discord in five or ten years?
They might get bought by a narcissistic billionaire.
They might sell all their data to Google for training AI.
They might go bankrupt and sell off their assets to the highest bidder.
They might have an IPO and begin the usual value extraction at the expense of their users.
I know, I know…crazy ideas, right? When has anything like that ever happened?!
i think you’re totally right, i just dont like people saying theyre doing it right now.
Frankly i think we should use matrix instead, but it just isnt good enough yet
And yes, vesktop did it first, but discord’s version is quite a bit more polished
Finally I can go back to having people at 200% 😍
Vesktop still allows you to choose a single audio output, Discord’s implementation seems to share system audio of all running apps, and doesn’t let you choose the specific application.
As far as I’m aware, Vesktop also allows you to share at 60fps, not just at 720, but up to 1440 at no charge. Can’t wait for Vesktop to continue being ahead of the curve
Wait how? Does it only share with other vesktop users?
I think the discord server they’re in might be nitro boosted to allow all users to share at higher resolutions and frame rates. I think the perk affects all users whether they have Nitro or not.
What about audio sharing?
also works, although it says audio “may not work in certain instances”
I’ve been screen sharing from discord on hyprland for months, it wasn’t already working?
Last I checked I could only share specific windows, not the whole screen. Later there was also an update with a window or screen selection dialogue that didn’t work at all, I think. After that I stopped using it on wayland.
I regularly share my whole screen
I have an issue with the dialog box popping up multiple times but that’s it, still works
The only caveat is window specific sharing often doesn’t work because of how Wayland works
i think it works for you because you have xwayland video bridge installed
Looks like I’m checking daily if it’s on the steam deck yet…
If you don’t want to wait you can get the binary from discord.com/download.
or wait t’ill the most recent version here is 0.0.79 or higher
But still doesn’t accept my legitimate phone number, which is mandatory now.
Only in servers that enabled that verification. Its a server setting
Sent by me:
Dear Discord Privacy Team!
I’m writing to you to inform you that your platform (mobile, desktop, browser) can enforce the user to verify their account with a phone number, after the user has changed their E-Mail adress. This is a serios privacy problem! I’d like you to verify that you don’t intend on providing other (more privacy friendly) means of account verification apart from providing the phone number. I suddenly cannot use my Discord account due to this and I object to providing a phone number.
Kind regards, ~sntx
Their answer:
Discord Privacy Team (Discord Support)
Hi there,
Thanks for reaching out to us. Unfortunately, we aren’t able to assist you here. This channel is reserved for privacy questions and requests.
It looks like this is a question for our Customer Support team. We recommend that you resubmit your request and choose the appropriate reporting option. You can do so here: […].
In the meantime you can check out our Help Center for more info on everything Discord.
We appreciate your understanding.
Sincerely, Discord Privacy Team
But its a server setting to need phone verification. Im on a ton of servers and never provided them my phone number. One server changed access rights manually for my username because i refused to give discord my phone number when they enabled the verification requirement haha.
Also, their response is terrible haha
Yhab
Oh my fuck, finally. Good lord Discord, only took you eons to get that working with Wayland after you broke it.
I get that there’s other things like Discord out there, but nothing works like Discord.
I get that there’s other things like Discord out there, but nothing works like Discord.
There’s plenty of free alternatives that works much better than discord
Not if I want calling, video chat, screen sharing and role based chat rooms all in the same place. I’ve explored this, but it just isn’t feature complete enough at the moment. I’d definitely describe myself as a Discord power user and Matrix just doesn’t manage it.
Calls and video chats works just fine in matrix and client like element allow you to integrate other services if you don’t like the default ones.
I’d definitely describe myself as a Discord power user
You sound a lot like someone who use windows. We are on a linux sub.
I am a Linux user. Bizarre assumption to make given my excitement over a Wayland specific Discord feature. But I don’t have any actual qualms with how Discord implements its own services. Matrix just doesn’t fit the bill for me. If you enjoy it, and it suits your needs then all the power to you. It just isn’t what works for me.
anyone get this to work on steam deck? hasn’t worked for me yet.
The version on flathub (what the steam deck uses for it’s app store) has not been updated to support this quite yet.
Took them long enough
now fix push to talk which is arguable far more important
