I wouldn’t say Lemmy is much better though… It’s just Reddit but not on Reddit.
Lemmy feels a lot more like old reddit.
New Reddit feels artificial. The written content posts LOOK like they’re from AI. Much of the subreddits are now curated. You can’t say Luigi.
Here, it’s a bit of a wild west. And that’s okay.
There isn’t much written content posts. But the comments? I’m loving it. It comes off genuine. Human. Real. Even the shitty ones that make me want to downvote but damn do I somewhat see their perspective.
Thank you for yours!
It has a similar problem, but a better version of it.
From my point of view, Lemmy creates its bubble just by being friendly to one subset of views and hostile to another; and so people with some subsets of views don’t feel welcome - and they leave. This creates a kind of bubble effect; but I’m ok with that - because frankly there are some views that I really don’t want to see here anyway. Having diversity of views is good, but establishing social norms about what is acceptable or unacceptable isn’t necessarily a bad thing either.
On the other hand Reddit (in addition to the above effect) also has a big dose of top-down enforcement. Effectively it has a small hidden group of people who can control what everyone else is allowed to say. They can ban certain words and sentiments; and use techniques like shadowbanning or just algorithmic demoting to reduce the influence of stuff they don’t like. So they get a bubble as well, but the bubble can be guided and influenced by the people who control the platform. For my point of view, that makes it worse.
Lemmy.ml bans you for shit and giggles, basically if you don’t agree that murderous dictators are the future, you will very likely be banned. If you’re new to Lemmy and happen to stumble upon .ml first (and are not a red fascist), you’ll get the same treatment.
Lemmy.ml is still a big instance, so chances of this happening are pretty high.
I read that as “murdering dictators is the future” and was like… I’m not all caught up on .ml, but I didn’t think they’d be down with murdering dictators. Then I realized I read it wrong.
Changed it to murderous to avoid confusion, it did read a little weird.
Can agree with this. Don’t disagree with the Israelis. You will get at least a temp ban.
Lemmy users are not better… but Lemmy is.
Apt
install
I haven’t been banned for voicing disdain about Israel here. Just a few deleted comments. But no bans.
since we’re allegedly allowed to talk about this here, what was your stance on the 2024 election (if you’re american)? I’m gonna be honest, I still don’t understand how people came to the conclusion that Trump would have been better for helping Gazans.
I’ll be honest. I saw Trump winning coming. Because a lot of people I know were repeating lies they heard from internet content. I could t put up a fight because it was just so dumb. People lost jobs. People were financially stressed. It just was a lot to fight. So much of social media has been weaponized. I was banned from Facebook before the election because I was having it out with Bot accounts calling for civil wars and violence. So Facebook does nothing about the terrorism content but blocked me for calling them out. It’s been a godsend not being on Facebook anymore.
I mean, it’s really no different on here. Giant echo chambers.
We’re a smaller chamber but a lot more echo.
We’re a smaller chamber but a lot more echo.
echo…echo
Agreed. Is there any Lemmy group where left, right, and center can discuss issues without some resorting to name calling?
I don’t know of any place people can discuss issues without name calling.
Of course you don’t, you shoe.
Moccasin behaviour, fr.
Agreed
The issues the right care about are Haitians eating cats and dogs. How do you not call them idiots?
Don’t forget that also being anti woke for whatever reason is really important.
Which basically is just a codeword that just means they think they can bully anyone they disagree with to make them fall in line
And they’re always the victim of course
There aren’t Lemmy groups where left, right, OR center can do that
agreed
Right isn’t welcome here at all. I’m center and this place is hostile as fuck.
Honestly I think that isn’t an issue with any one platform so much as it is one of the biggest successes of the extreme right. By being obnoxiously loud, openly self contradictory and everywhere in the media the extreme right has succesfully portrayed themselves as being representative of the entire right wing. This leaves the moderate right isolated, less likely to co-operate with the centre or left on issues where they might agree, and more likely to embrace the extreme right.
TLDR: Firehose of falsehood works even better when it splashes on the guy next to you.
And by choice. Uh, a user has a different opinion than me by about 2 %? BLOCKED FOR LIVE MOTHRFUCKER
That’s literally all of the Internet, not just Reddit. Everyone putting themselves in echo chambers and tuning everything else out. Modern Internet is just people wanting to be told they’re right and be showered with worthless affirmations.
I disagree.
Well, you’re wrong. And this is the internet, and you’re not allowed to be wrong, so…
Meanwhile lemmy appears to self select Linux users
Early adopters and technical users are more likely to be free/libre users.
I assume this is your opinion, but you present it as a scientifically proven fact.
I’ve been online since early 1990s and this is my repeated empirical experience that communities with a technical entry threshold self-select for technical users initially.
Most social network users are already hopelessly confused by the concept of federation and need to pick up an instance.
Are you suggesting this is some kind of modern usenet?
I assume they’re just making more noise.
That’s because our fans are going full speed because of bad Linux drivers. We have to be loud to hear ourselves over them.
Is there any instance that has a poll for Linux questions for the registration yet? If there isn’t I would be surprised.
I’m 14 and this is deep.
It’s not like Lemmy is different in any way, lol.
Yeah I came across lemmy Because I was told that this place believes in free speech even if it’s something you don’t agree with. That is not true though because I’ve had mods delete my comments lol.
Yeah, it’s the same shit.
Dude this is just as bad as Reddit, The same Donald Trump being a Nazi rhetoric, I got my comment deleted that says “Hamas sucks” While somebody else’s comment says they are heroes. This website is trash and quite frankly I think Reddit might be a little better
Powerful reddit energy in this post
Nah, we ban fascists cause fascists are asshole losers who only want to be taken seriously.
Lemmy taught me a fascist is just anyone we disagree with
I got called a fascist for saying genocide against Jews is just as bad as genocide against Palestinians. Apparently it’s fascist now to be against fascist things
EDIT: For proof, see downvotes on this comment. I genuinely can’t tell you which platform is more unhinged, this or reddit. Both are special places for special people
Wording matters. In the face of countless ‘both sides’ rhetoric, this can be interpreted as ‘equal harm is presently being done to Israelis and Palestinians’.
Wording does matter, but so does personal responsibility to digest those words and understand what is attempted to be communicated, not just recognizing a pattern and turning your brain off the second you see think you see a pattern
3 downvotes proves nothing
I imagine you yelling this into a chamber and literally listening for the echo.
Imagine he got banned from reddit for saying the same thing, trolling and spamming
I just got banned for commenting " [Removed by Reddit] " .
I got banned for saying “ I’ll probably get banned for saying this but if you’re a Nazi or a Nazi supporter you deserve to get punched in the face” in response of a lady that was going around Boston doing the heil Hitler salute
I just saw you replied to me in political memes, can’t comment back tho.
Apparently saying “you might want to brush up on history” is uncivil.
Using the term Blue MAGA is trolling.
And then the mods used the Lemmy modlog as an excuse to ban me.
Jeez these libs.Yes I got banned from commenting on another sub on here Because I said Hamas are terrorist. Mind you the person that replied to me said That they are heroes. Lemmy Is just as bad as Reddit and again I only came on this app because I was told that it had free speech
Reddit is just edgy self aware facebook.
Banning is just an administrative action. The sentiment behind it is just as present on lemmy and everywhere else. Social forums tend to turn into echo chambers as ordinary users, who don’t have ban power but wish they did, use downvotes to suppress whatever they don’t agree with.
Also, “they” is currently 80% chatbots
Fuck reddit, fuck spez
Yeah instead we just defederate them
The censorship and Napoleonic complex moderators on lemmy.world are nearly as bad as reddit
Removing posts of non news articles being posted to the news comms isn’t censorship.
Removing non-US politics posts posted to a US politics comm is not censorship.
Removing political memes posted to a non-political meme comm is not censorship.
Removing posts of something other than micro blogs to the microblogs community is not censorship.
Removing posts that break the clearly posted rules of the community is not censorship.
JFC… 🤦♂️
Removing posts of news articles you don’t agree with and calling them “non news articles” is censorship. Removing political posts and calling them “non-US political posts” is censorship. Removing memes based on political ideation is censorship. Removing a quote from FDR for pedantic reasons is censorship. Overly oppressive community rules and moderation is censorship.
Sad to see you advocating for censorship on here. 🤷
None of that is going on in the picture posted. Just because you’re butthurt about your posts being removed for not following the simplest of rules doesn’t mean you are being censored.
Wrong again. You wouldn’t be able to judge any of that because you haven’t seen what I posted and you’re simply talking out of your ass and siding with the moderators and towing the pro-censorship line.
You realize the mod log is public, and I as well as anyone else can definitely see what you posted, right?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14595043/China-unveils-vicious-new-AI-roasting-fat-lazy-Americans-tariffs-chaos-continues.html Explain to me how this isn’t a news article then. Trash article? Sure. It literally has /news/article in the hyperlink though.
IIRC that community has strict ideas about what sources are allowed, and the moderation is consistent about enforcing that even if the written rules are vague. Not sure why people are saying dailymail isn’t a news source just because it’s low quality. A bad news outlet is still a news outlet. So the mod should have given a better reason for removing it, but I agree with it being removed.
dailymail
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lol. Talks about news then post a daily mail link, my guy that isn’t news that’s propaganda no wonder they said no, un-twist your panties
If you want to see real censorship on Lemmy, look no further than to your own instance admins where rightfully calling out RT as Russian propaganda gets removed or even just expressing that the EU has a genuine security concern to having Russian and Chinese militaries on their doorstep
And much much more on !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works
About your example: You know you could “rightfully” call out all the US mainstream news papers US imperialist and fascist propaganda and owned by the oligarchs? And then endlessly repeat that.
So “just asking” why anybody would read any article that is obviously from another geopolitical rival is “just presuming” that US news papers are neutral and trustworthy in comparison. And that is fascist speech which is fascist recruitment. Parsing RT doesn’t make you pro-Russia.
Also the tankie triad
Also blahaj
Also feddit
Also .ee
:-/
The nature of social media. Moderation takes time and energy (which amount to money). As a community grows larger, the moderators either need to increase their moderation costs or get draconian with their enforcement to reduce the expense.
Reddit is just the Late Stage of this phenomenon. If Lemmy continues to accrue users and follow the Reddit trajectory, where else can it end? I fully anticipate it’ll either go full /r/The_Donald with fascist bot-accounts spamming up every channel (a la “Nicole” spam mentioned in the pinned post). Or we’ll see mods do full instance purges of anyone suspected of any violation of any rule (perhaps even automating the process or turning it entirely over to an in-house AI) because there’s no Lemmy budget to do what Facebook or Reddit tried initially (turning moderation over to sweatshops in the Philippines or wherever labor was cheapest).
Smaller communities speed ran this transformation. Voat imploded inside a year or two. Chapo/Hexbear ate itself over the course of a couple years. TruthSocial is all just botspam now. Some of the smaller instances in Lemmy have imploded to the same effect. This instance has a rather large and active modding community. But it comes for us all in the end.
The reddit sub teachers had a post recently where a mod was bragging about banning anyone who questioned the post. They were being bombarded with approving comments. Why bother with the post then? It is basically masturbation at that point. “Ooooh, I feel better now! I didn’t get even slightly challenged. Next post…”
