I couldn’t translate, can someone tell me who is behind this bill?
Surprising considering their whole marketing point is “Swiss privacy”
Where will, Andy, the fascist Krasnov supporter go?
i fail to see how liking a single decision made by trump makes them a supporter of him
With your mother I suppose
Honestly, how is this political crap of who supports who has anything to do with this?
While this guy may be controversial, the discussion is a good one. More companies like Threema also suffer from that law and they should all team up to fight against that.
where they gonna go?
Sweden or Germany would work
Both are part of 14 eyes, I’d be wary.
Sadly Sweden has a government that wants to force backdoors to encrypted services. They haven’t succeeded yet, but Sweden might not be safe in the future.
All governments want this. Everywhere.
The difference is where the people allow it and they don’t.
Any other country except Russia
I mean as long as you dont say anything about Putin, Russia provides the best freedom of speech
The law is so bad it makes Switzerland second to Russia?
Just going on whats in the article
“This revision attempts to implement something that has been deemed illegal in the EU and the United States. The only country in Europe with a roughly equivalent law is Russia,” said Yen
“I think we would have no choice but to leave Switzerland,” said Yen. “The law would become almost identical to the one in force today in Russia. It’s an untenable situation. We would be less confidential as a company in Switzerland than Google, based in the United States. So it’s impossible for our business model.”
eh, fascists are not truatworthy in the first place.
thats what he said…im not sure you understand what fascism is
praising a fascist for standing up for the little guys is hardly what id call innocent
So, how do you feel about Gail Slater? She has a history of going after big tech, which is why choosing her was a surprise to many.
Yo dog I heard you love trump so we made you surveillance laws
I dont think Trump passed bad surveillance laws in the US. The worst of those are from Bush and Obama.
Trump inherited a mass surveillance apparatus. He didn’t build it.
I’ve seen similar sentiment shared by people that follow privacy topics. It’s a bad take and you are minimizing the significance of the surveillance state being built.
There is a difference between ‘anyone’ can be watched and ‘everyone’ can be watched.
There is a difference between implementing laws that could be used to monitor anyone and implementing systems that will be able to monitor everyone very cheaply and easily.
This is not the same as the patriot Act https://www.businessinsider.com/ice-palantir-new-technology-30-million-visa-overstays-self-deportation-2025-4
US has contracted out to Palentier for years. This isnt new.
I guess you’re new here, but we learned over 10 years ago that the NSA had a goal of targeting literally everyone.
What’s new is that the power is shifting from groups like the FBI and NSA to ICE.
jfc i just bought a year of pcloud…is there anything that doesn’t just up and turn shitty all of a sudden
FOSS doesn’t
cough Hyprland cough
What about it
A horribly toxic and hateful community, to the point I do not use it.
Far from the only FOSS communities like it, but it’s a very prominent example of a piece of software I would not associate with at all.
Compare it to Tesla and Musk.
It can as it turns out
In general it is less problematic though
Nope. Self hosted software isnt an issue.
Proton has loads of code that isnt Foss. That’s a problem here.
Proton has a very shady past (mostly in the mail server area, their initial business, easy to search for details as they all were reported reasonably well). I always try to get people to pick literally any of the other alternatives, and it’s also why I went with mailbox for my own mail when leaving Google.
Being in Switzerland means they are also not in the EU and not subject to many of the customer protections you would get if they were.
You sound like someone talking before thinking, all while having no clue at all.
A relatively recent example, basically just one of the first search results.
Then there was the CEO endorsing Trump, or his politics, or one of the controversial nominees. It’s been a while so I don’t remember the exact specifics, but at the very least it caused quite a stir and caused backpedaling by the company (and the fact that it was from his personal x-account, not from the company).
Did you even read it
If you operate in a country, you have to abide by the laws of it. Swiss laws are quite good if not the best ones, when it comes to privacy topics. This, however, does not protect you from criminal investigators fighting crime. And things like observing individuals is not done lightly, and needs the approval from courts.
So it you are a criminal and think you can break laws and just hide by using encrypted services, well, think again.
Yes sure, completely ignore the 2nd point and focus on the example I even said was literally just the first search results.
Also to be clear, in not against using them or even recommending them, but I think there are better alternatives out there, and people seem to just default to recommending proton. Then again who knows, maybe it’s good that we got a de-facto default recommendation/alternative to the big-tech offerings.
Oh, I should focus on the point, where even you said you have no idea what exactly happened. Proton yadda yadda Trump yadda yadda bad.
I’ll just leave this here to give some context. Enjoy.
focus on the example I even said was literally just the first search results.
If you didn’t think it was a good point, you shouldn’t have presented it.
