Yeah, you’re right, people are too soft.

They should do that was done to Nazis during the war instead. Let me know if you volunteer walking into a BAR.

It’s people like you why I have to keep this damn gif around:

It’s not an association fallacy or poisoning the well if those things are actually being done, which has already been covered in the previous comments. Goggles is another current example of that.

You can go on and have your last word now, I’m done with your bad faith argument. I think there’s enough evidence in this comment thread by now for others to see you’re being disingenuous.

If you’re happy with tracking and spying at the browser level, then fine, but I’m interested in how we can put an end to that.

And brave has shown it’s not a solution to that at all, so there’s literally no reason to defend them, or use them.

Goggles is the first part, the owner is the second part

In short, I support these probably for the same reason you oppose Eich: I believe in freedom. I guess I define that a bit more liberally than you do.

I know you fake mofos are the type to always need to get the last word because it makes it seem to other dumdums that getting the last say is somehow “winning”, but I’m leaving this link here for anyone who remotely might believe your take is a good one:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

It’s not a strawman, it’s the problem.

It’s a strawman you’re still trying to prop up because the issue is not only the Brave browser itself, but the owners of it.

Even if we took your argument in good faith, it would still be flawed since Brave is based on Chromium, of which Google essentially controls at this point, so you’d still be supporting Google hegemony. In other words, even from that stance you’ve brought up, it would be a bad idea to use Brave vs Firefox, Librewolf, Konqueror, etc.

After a significant amount of time. Longer than Brave’s blunders. And rehabilitation is not erasure. Likewise, murder enough and society will consider to instead remove the person from society as well instead of rewarding them.

Murderer is a noun. Once you’ve murdered that’s what you are, regardless of past or present or future. People can change, but that doesn’t change what you’ve done in the past and have become, because you can’t undo what you did.

6 months to 5 years isn’t “A long time ago” btw. I think it takes at least a decade to start considering something a long time ago.

That’s a really concise and thoughtless way to excuse Google, Microsoft and Apple for monetizing spying on every person on earth for profit.

Nice strawman you got there. I think anyone with eyes can see I didn’t bring them up because most (all?) Lemmy users know Firefox and its forks exist.

And yes, Linux distros have a business model. I’m happy that distros found a business model through offering official support to corporations, it makes it truly free to the rest of us. It also helps that their competition is very expensive. Will that model work for a browser? What do you think?

That’s… Literally how browsers used to work. Netscape was a paid browser. Orion is starting to look into that model as well.

And yes, you just pointed out of possible to raise funds without pulling the shit Brave has, as Linux distros have done… So, congrats on getting the point? A little slow, but you got there.

It’s still being kept up to date, just not getting new features, and the security issues have been patched up as they come along. It’s not a dead project yet. Maintaining Librewolf isn’t impossible since Firefox is doing the heavy lifting.

The main issue is mostly that it relies on Firefox.

Honestly, I don’t mind the paid browser route. Browsers, and a lot of software, used to be paid, and it feels like things were less shit when some of it was.

I think ideally we’d see 2 versions of software like some used to be in the 90s - a free, stripped down version that only does basic functions (think Microsoft WordPad Vs Microsoft Word) and a pair full version. This model can still allow FOSS to exist as well, like perhaps having LibreOffice as is, and then having an enterprise version that has additional networking features and support that’s paid for businesses, with all money from that going into the maintenance of LibreOffice.

First of all, @Ulrich@feddit.org , thanks for calling out the bullshit of this professional far right fire hydrant apologist. You’ve stayed on track with the main issue of their argument despite them wanting to hide attention away from it.

The reason their propaganda sounds reasonable is because it pretends to be rational and sounds calm, when in reality it’s ignoring extremely glaring issues. In one of these cases for example, it’s pretending that funding intolerance isn’t intolerance. Another is ignoring details, such as how the crypto scam was essentially malware, and did cause performance hits to devices using Brave (part of the reason why it was caught).

Second of all, for everyone following along this far, I just want to point out the false equivalency between something like hard drugs and gambling - things that literally statistically bring literal harm - to marriage.

And finally, we’re done entertaining, bullshit in the tea - that’s why Teslas are burning. Remember that when shit hits the fan.

Holy copium batman, imagine excusing malware and checks notes literally aiding in denying rights to LGBTQ+ people.

Let me guess, you pretend to be centrist by day, and you wear

By night?

This is like saying “I see he was murderer until he got caught”. No shit Sherlock some of those are past tense, because he got caught. If you want to go ahead and get exploited by a dickhead and his future pending scams go ahead.

“Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, and apparently I end up supporting the right wing all the time because I’m a dunce” is apparently how it works these days.

That’s a long winded way to try to excuse secretly mining crypto, far right misinformation pushing, transgender phobia, and more that Brave does / has done.

I also want to point out an operating system is a huge project to create and maintain, and yet Linux has accomplished this without all the shit Brave has pulled.

PS: technically Brave has used ads as well.

This does sound extremely useful and good.

I’d say the only issues software like this have is there’s a lack of beginners guides to self hosting, so people either know too little and instantly have their server botted / hacked, or know enough to be too paranoid and afraid to set up their own server because they know of the risks.

As for me though, I’ll probably look into implementing this and play around with it for our DnD group first.

Explain more of this Jitsi, sounds interesting for my business

Well, in that case, I hope it gets forked into a super gay version in the future lol

At least there’s other projects too…

Dammit, again? What did this developer do…

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