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  • Personally I disagree with the statement, first off, I don’t see an alternative explanation offered. the point is an easy analogy to give them rough concepts. looking at the problems listed in the OP.

    Gmail users believe the only ways to access a Gmail account are through the official web client at mail.google.com, and the official Gmail app for iOS and Android.

    First off there… so the web client off the bat… what’s the problem there, that we aren’t burrying them with “oh if you like you can use alexandrite, or one of 30 other web clients, and then tell it the instance”. The point is we’re trying to reach out to the non tech savy. If their assumption gets them to something that works, then there isn’t a problem, just as not knowing that they can install an e-mail client to check their gmail, isn’t stopping them from using gmail.

    Now the andriod/ios clients, that is the one drawback, you do have to tell them the name of one of the apps, and tell them to pick the website they made their account on from the dropdown. It’s not a huge deal but it is an extra step. If the goal is to reach out to the non tech savy though, the goal has to be to minimize the steps as much as we can.

    Then it goes on to say people are picking instances based on moderation politics etc… Lets face it regular people don’t… and they don’t care. Really like 2% of people actually hit points where moderation is a visible thing to them. usually because they are on the edge of a political side.






  • I suppose it’s the deffinition of “credible” in “credible exit”. My understanding is, it’s a closed in system… that would allow people to export to another closed system built on the same protocol.

    The basically impossible part of a social network, is getting people onto the same network at the same time. It’s like a hangout place that’s open 24/7. Someone comes in, if nobody’s there, they themselves leave. 10 minutes later someone else comes, also see’s it empty and leaves. The hard part is getting enough people to stick around long enough to make interesting things to make others want to stay around.

    To me the only credible exit… is fediverse style. IE not just that you can leave and take your stuff… but more importantly you can still talk with the people who haven’t left yet. Because if we are just talking another walled in instance that you can make, that may as well be a new network.

    The thing holding people into twitter, isn’t they’d horribly miss their years of old tweets they’ve made and recieved. They’d miss their old contacts that haven’t joined the new network yet. Unless I’m massively misunderstanding the way this works… they aren’t opening the door for the new networks to be able to communicate with the old one.


  • I’d imagine just basic economics. Businesses exist to make money. Growing a tech company costs money. Which means someone’s gotta be pouring a lot of money into it to grow it. People with that kind of money, aren’t in the habit of giving money they don’t expect to have a return on investment.

    Being the best, getting users that don’t pay for the service… does not make money. Things people hate make money, Targeted ads, tracking/spying, or paid services you can direct users to make money. If a company has a semi-captive audience… that’s when they are pushed to enshittify.


  • I honestly don’t see the reason to hope for bluesky to win… I don’t get this “credible exit”. If bluesky choses to abandon it it might be feasible to make it into a decentralized network? Seems to me the decentralized future will have the same difficulties of getting people onto mastadon etc…

    and what if they don’t abandon it, but investors force it to be enshittified or it gets bought out by another billionare with horrible motives. It just seems to me like kicking the can down the road.