I have seen many comments saying that lemmy.world sucks, and sh.itjust.works is good. I have seen that lemmy.world apparently has a very poor reputation among other instances. Why? After a quick look, sh.itjust.works doesn’t look much different to me. Can anyone explain?
Edit: many good replies. the conclusion I’m drawing is that for my purposes it doesn’t really matter. I appreciate everyone who responded
World admins tend to engage in censorship, blocking, and banning of ANY viewpoints that don’t support their compromised world views.
They aren’t even aware that they are enthusiastic supporters of actual fascists because those fascists have figured out how to manipulate their actions using identity politics and fearmongering.
lemmy.world had blocked !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Not jolly, not jolly at all 😕
Join us, sail free in the high seas! lemmy.dbzer0.com
I agree with you. IMO, it’s not that different.
The big difference is between the tankie LARPer instances (lemmygrad, hexbear, parts of lemmy.ml) and the rest of the major instances.
As a socialist, you will understand I’m sure that constant being slurred with “tANkiE” from mostly .world users is very tiring
They never mentioned you or slrpnk
Or socialism.
There’s a difference between being a socialist, and blindly defending authoritarian regimes that claim they are socialist. Those instances earned their reputation for a reason.
Make it a stickie, because barely anyone observes this definition.
I am regularly slurred as Russian bot or a tANkiE when calling for peace and de-escalation of war.
Daily .
Have you stopped to consider that maybe you’re just an asshole?
No, seriously, you’re whining about being called a tankie when… like dude, you’re a tankie. Half your comments are just bringing up how EU/UK support for Ukraine’s defense is a frivolous waste or similar. I doubt you think of yourself like this but to an outside observer you’re deeply toxic.
I doubt you think of yourself like this but to an outside observer you’re deeply toxic.
From my position warmongering is deeply toxic.
No matter how much organizing you do with other anarchists offline, to the .world crowd if you’re to the left of Joe Biden you’re a tankie.
From my position, the jedi are evil!
Man, they weren’t kidding about those federation issues. Just now got the notification here. Listen, you’re not wrong that people are reactionaries, this is the internet. Many people need to either figure out they aren’t welcome, or figure out a less confrontational way to present their ideas (me included, often).
But all that said: there’s a difference between “I think anarchists are largely naive at best” and “This person is a tankie”. I can (and frequently do) disagree with all manner of left-slash political opinions, and I’m perfectly happy to coexist with them since they often have perfectly good ideas that come from a position I disagree with, but can accept.
What I can’t abide, and what the above asshole espouses, is the brainless regurgitation of pro-russian propaganda. Ideas like “enabling the AFU’s continued defense of Ukraine is unconscionable and the guilt for all the innocent deaths lay at the feet of NATO for enabling this war to continue” are what makes someone a tankie, and are what that person keeps saying. That’s the shit they get pushback on (and which they fail to understand the negative reactions to), because they’re too self-centered to realize that Ukranians aren’t some innocent babes in the wood lead astray by a wolf. They are a people who have fought and died, for hundreds of years, to secure their fucking right to choose the fates they make for themselves. The choice to lay down one’s life for a cause they believe in, that they dictate, is one every culture holds absolutely sacred. How many martyred anarchists are there, who’s names live on in the creed of those who come after them? I’m not even an anarchist and I can think of dozens.
A situation has arisen which has lead so, so many to make that choice, and while every life lost here is a tragedy I grieve over every day, infantilizing the people who’s lives are freely given? The people who’s lives are being stolen from them? The ones who’ve been found with their hands still bound, dumped in mass graves? The busses full of stolen children, who will never be seen again?
THAT is what makes this jackass a fucking tankie.
From my position, the jedi are evil!
statist cops who routinely perform extrajudicial executions, have largely unchecked mind control powers and freedom to recruit child slaves from pod racing without any sort of oversight
Next you’ll probably need me to explain why the imperium of man is evil
You seem very emotionally invested in war with Russia, I don’t think opposing that makes people tankies, nor do I see how opposition to war infantalizes the people getting killed by it.
Ukranians aren’t a monolith and there were plenty of Ukranians getting killed by their government prior to '22.
sh.itjust.works has a much funnier name.
The two main reasons people attack LW is:
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people who criticise it because it is by far the largest instance, and thereby means lemmy isn’t as decentralised as it could be, I think this is a fair point, because it has caused federation issues with for example aussie.zone in the past.
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Tankies who get mad the average lemmy.world user does not share their admiration for China, Russia, North Korea, Stalin, and Mao. Thereby accusing the whole instance of being “libs” and “bigots”.
I’ll add 2 more that resonate with me:
- Discussions of distributing copyright material is banned. (Not actually sharing, obviously that is illegal, but they’ve banned the mere discussion of it.)
- They have not defederated from Meta’s Threads
Fwiw, LW seems ready to defederate from Threads at a moment’s notice (post), but atm it doesn’t matter since Threads isn’t federating with Lemmy anyway.
Though it’s still an excellent point to wonder why they haven’t done it preemptively, like pretty much every other instance I’ve heard of (even lemm.ee’s [blocked instance list[(https://lemm.ee/instances) that is shockingly short has that one). Perhaps bc the decision to defederate from any instance, and especially that one, has generated such negative feedback (as the post linked above mentions), they are hesitant to do anything at all, especially again while it does not matter right now.
The way they approached Threads is part of why I stuck with LW. Instance location doesn’t matter much to me and why would I go with an option that is more willing to take choice out of my hands?
Corporate or not, it should be my decision to interact with it. Unless it’s Nazis or some shit similar, I can block rather than rely on defederation and being told what to do.
Well, I hear that but at the same time the counterargument seems fairly strong. As I understand it (not being a mod of any communities here myself) apparently the mod tools suck pretty bad, especially across instance barriers. And in particular it is reportedly lacking standard filtering capabilities so that if Threads were ever federated with, the sheer VOLUME of content would quickly overwhelm the ability of the mods to keep up. Hence, if Threads were to join the Threadiverse, then Lemmy as it currently is now would have no chance but would cease to exist, almost instantly. And we would become an unmoderated playground.
I have no idea how Threads itself handles moderation, but at a guess, it wouldn’t (fully?) apply if people with Threads accounts were to comment on posts in Lemmy communities?
So Threads really is a special circumstance, not at all like federating with hexbear or exploding heads etc.
Even so, the admins do seem to be listening to the feedback of the users, rather than forcing that choice upon everyone, yeah:-).
the counterargument seems fairly strong.
Lemmy isn’t compatible with Threads.
so that if Threads were ever federated with, the sheer VOLUME of content would quickly overwhelm the ability of the mods to keep up.
No. Threads has no communities, Threads cannot post to Lemmy communities. That’s fearmongering.
if Threads were to join the Threadiverse
Threads is already part of the Fediverse but on a per-account basis. It’s compatible with Mastodon and other Twitter-likes that use ActivityPub. Lemmy can’t read Threads posts, just as Lemmy can’t read random Mastodon posts, only the ones Mastodon users explicitly posted into Lemmy communities.
lemm.ee had a vote on threads. As to the short blocklist, it’s a combination of a liberal federation policy and sunaurus apparently taking the time to clean it up once in a while, other instances have instances on their blocklist which are long defunct.
Lemmy.world has kind of awful moderation, which means people who are trolls or bad actors have lived here for a very long time despite multiple reports. It was only recently that Linkerbaan (the most notorious one of all) was banned, and it took a thread complaining about bans in !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com and dbzer0 admins messaging them to get their attention.
There are other people here like that which never receive permanent bans for consistently horrible behavior. It’s not great, and while I don’t agree with Beehaw’s decision to defederate over it I do think that things could be better. It does degrade user experience to have known trolls and assholes running wild and only getting a slap on the wrist when they do something horrible.
Lemmy.world has kind of awful moderation, which means people who are trolls or bad actors have lived here for a very long time despite multiple reports.
Maybe people shouldn’t overflow the moderation pipe with reports then just because posts are idiotic. There’s the downvote button for that. I’m just a guy with a full-time job and personal life who on occasion may get ill with a cold or so. So when I log onto Lemmy on PC and I see a dozen of reports having popped up about posts being reported as being “in bad faith”, posts that may be genuinely idiotic but not containing any personal attacks / racism /…, I’m already checking out. Not every idiotic posts needs moderator intervention. Sometimes a minus 25 score is enough. So when there are a dozen of reports about merely idiotic posts, I might miss a genuinely intervention-worthy one.
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To those who promotes lemmy.cafe as a solution,
No shame that the instance doesnt block far rights and pedo instances ?Start considerate your self at a moment,
Not every leftists are for imperialisms… True leftists are humanists, and want the right for people to get autodetermination,
At a moment, stop being ridiculous,
